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	<title>Comments on: Dev8D 2010 Review</title>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony ... I couldn&#039;t agree more... I have been banging on about how programming should be democratised for years under the &quot;programming for the rest of us&quot; banner with HyperCard and AppleTalk.

I also used to be a huge advocate of visual programming with Prograph CPX - which was like Yahoo Pipes with elegance (classes, inheritance etc) 

I don&#039;t really have any pipes to publish... I did one that showed BNP scum (from that leaked membership list) on a map of York... I did a simple aggregator... I have followed some of your online tutorials....

The hardest part of Yahoo Pipes for me, something that you excel at, is conceiving of the problem in a Pipe-friendly way... which is harder than it sounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony &#8230; I couldn&#8217;t agree more&#8230; I have been banging on about how programming should be democratised for years under the &#8220;programming for the rest of us&#8221; banner with HyperCard and AppleTalk.</p>
<p>I also used to be a huge advocate of visual programming with Prograph CPX &#8211; which was like Yahoo Pipes with elegance (classes, inheritance etc) </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really have any pipes to publish&#8230; I did one that showed BNP scum (from that leaked membership list) on a map of York&#8230; I did a simple aggregator&#8230; I have followed some of your online tutorials&#8230;.</p>
<p>The hardest part of Yahoo Pipes for me, something that you excel at, is conceiving of the problem in a Pipe-friendly way&#8230; which is harder than it sounds.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah... that&#039;s great thanks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah&#8230; that&#8217;s great thanks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Gutteridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Gutteridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...or http://lemur.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~cjg/Graphite/eprints.php#coloc is pretty punchy in terms of what you can do with very little code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;or <a href="http://lemur.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~cjg/Graphite/eprints.php#coloc" rel="nofollow">http://lemur.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~cjg/Graphite/eprints.php#coloc</a> is pretty punchy in terms of what you can do with very little code.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Gutteridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Gutteridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was some linked data stuff on the first day but it was oversubscribed so I could not squeeze into the room!

I&#039;ve been working on some ideas to make it more accessible. Check out http://lemur.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~cjg/Graphite/ -- specifically the linked data example at the end. 

I also want to do some really simple visual explanations of linked data without requiring people to think very abstractly...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was some linked data stuff on the first day but it was oversubscribed so I could not squeeze into the room!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been working on some ideas to make it more accessible. Check out <a href="http://lemur.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~cjg/Graphite/" rel="nofollow">http://lemur.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~cjg/Graphite/</a> &#8212; specifically the linked data example at the end. </p>
<p>I also want to do some really simple visual explanations of linked data without requiring people to think very abstractly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Hirst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Hirst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom...

Not being picky or anything, but I&#039;m all in favour of programing, and think more people should be provided with accessible tools that let them do it.

It&#039;s *coding*, i.e. having to do programming with text based code/trad programming languages, that I think is a barrier to entry for many people (partly because there are so many things that can go wrong when writing code, and it&#039;s hard for a novice to know whether they&#039;ve made a typo, got a missing dependency, made a syntax error, got confused about how state is being managed, got confused about representations or types, or just messed up their algorithm etc ;-)

PS so are you gonna post any of your pipework?! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom&#8230;</p>
<p>Not being picky or anything, but I&#8217;m all in favour of programing, and think more people should be provided with accessible tools that let them do it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s *coding*, i.e. having to do programming with text based code/trad programming languages, that I think is a barrier to entry for many people (partly because there are so many things that can go wrong when writing code, and it&#8217;s hard for a novice to know whether they&#8217;ve made a typo, got a missing dependency, made a syntax error, got confused about how state is being managed, got confused about representations or types, or just messed up their algorithm etc <img src='http://www.theotherblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>PS so are you gonna post any of your pipework?! <img src='http://www.theotherblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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